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Commission Chambers

May 22, 2007 at 6:30 p.m.

City Hall,1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place               

Room 400

Present:  Gillespie; Benjamin; Breslin; Paek; Oneto; Oka; Heinicke

Absent:   None

President Gillespie called the meeting to order at 6:38 P.M.

STAFF IN ATTENDENCE:  Executive Director Heidi Machen, Danelle Carey– Taxi Commission, Paul Zarefsky– City Attorney

·         Heidi Machen, Executive Director: Turn-off cell-phones, interferes with phone systems and we get feedback.

1.      Call to Order/Roll Call


2.      Consideration of Final Findings for Public Convenience and Necessity to approve addition of 25 ramps and 25 regular medallions.


Public Comment:

·         Barry Taranto: Controllers report stated the hardship on cabs; Wants update on screening of candidates for ramp medallions.

·         Pres Gillespie: Commissioner Oka and myself will be apart of the screening process.

·         Marty Smith: Should put additional medallions.

·         Robert Cesana: No decision made about the size of the cabs; need standard size

·         Bill Mounsey: Only have one officer and we need at least four.  How can one officer enforce?

·         Com Heinicke: I agree about the enforcement issue.  We need to also address the issue of demand and availability.  Peak time approach is going to be considered during the issuance of medallions. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Motion on adopting resolution.

·         Com Oka: 2nd Motion


AYES:  Gillespie, Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke                   NOES: 0

ABSENT: 0                                                                                               RECUSED:   0




3.      Consideration of the Consent Calendar [ACTION]

·         Dir Machen: Recommends severing Items C4, G, H1 & H2

·         Pres Gillespie: Commission agrees.


Public Comment:

·         Barry Taranto: Most commissions allow the public to sever items.  There was something written in the minutes that I did not say and it totally took me out of context.

·         Pres Gillespie: Take this time during public comment to correct the minutes.

·         Barry Taranto: Minutes too brief.  Past minutes didn’t reflect Welch medallions.  Item C1, Who’s providing workers compensation for Fog City? They have a blank certificate, Is it State Fund or Dimitri? 

·         Dir Machen: Need to sever Item C5 as well.

·         Barry Taranto: Item C2, 9052 Union to Town. Town has no ramp vehicles.  Color Scheme change should be postponed because ramp 9052 was out of service all last year. 

·         Charles Rathbone: Item D, documents posted on the internet not redacted

·         Robert Cesana: Congratulates Alexander on receiving a medallion. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Severed Items C1 & C5.

·         Com Heinicke: Is there some rule stating that we have to have minutes?

·         Paul Zarefsky, City Attorney: 67.16 of the Sunshine Ordinance basic requirements are to have minutes.

·         Com Heinicke: Agrees with Barry.  We should go with more summarized minutes. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Agrees that minutes don’t always reflect.

·         Com Heinicke: Executive Director, if you feel on a staff matter that you can conserve resources by doing something along the lines of what I’ve discussed I will happily entertain that proposal.

·         Com Breslin: Motions and voting need to appear in the minutes.  I would like to see what item is spoken on.

·         DirMachen: I appreciate the comments, I have directed staff to produce minimal minutes.

·         Paul Zarefsky: Requirement in the sunshine ordinance that the minutes do include a “brief summary”

·         Pres Gillespie: Motion to approve all the items on the consent calendar that have not been severed.

·         Com Paek: 2nd Motion


            AYES:  Gillespie, Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke NOES: 0

      ABSENT: 0                                                                                         RECUSED:   0


·         Pres Gillespie: We will take the severed items.  Did you understand the question Director Machen and have an answer about the question that was raised about the workers compensation policies?

·         Dir Machen: Yes, Mr. Taranto raised the question of why two documents were produced from Fog City one from Dimitri Insurance saying they can provide workers comp and liability and State Fund which can be answered by a fog city representative who I believe is in the audience tonight.

·         Pres Gillespie: Anyone here that can represent Fog City?

·         Robert Westermyer: I don’t know about the blanket coverage. I plan on getting workers compensation. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Are we requiring them provide workers compensation within a certain time? 

·         Dir Machen: We have required that they bring proof of workers compensation which has traditionally been included in the packets and recommends color scheme transfer at this time.

·         Pres Gillespie: I will approve with stipulations of a 2 week period to provide workers compensation. 

·         Com Heinicke: I see several transfers and have a concern about a decrease in dispatch quality and standards.

·         Pres Gillespie: Union cab is where these people are leaving

·         Pres Gillespie: Motion to approve items C1 & C5 with stipulations. 

·         Com Paek: 2nd Motion


            AYES:  Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke, Gillespie             NOES: 0

      ABSENT: 0                                                                                                     RECUSED:  0


·         Item C4

·         Com Breslin: Motion to approve item C4

·         Com Paek: 2nd Motion


                  AYES:  Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke                 NOES: 0

            ABSENT: 0                                                                                         RECUSED:  Gillespie


·         Dir Machen: Item G, Consideration of the TXC to reinstate William O’Brien to the Medallion waiting list.   

·         Pres Gillespie: Remove O’Brien from the waiting list but willing to offer the same accommodation that was given to Kazinsky?

·         Dir Machen: The Commission would place him back on the list.

·         Com Heinicke: Where would he be placed? Original place? Would this be a more generous accommodation that Kazinsky’s?

·         Dir Machen: If you decided to put him back on the list staff could consider an ADA accommodation.  It would be a greater break between driving than Kazinsky requested.

·         Pres Gillespie: Are you driving? Your own car?

·         William O’Brien: I will start driving next month.

·         Pres Gillespie: Is driving a taxi your intention?

·         Com Oka: Are you physically able to drive?

·         William O’Brien: Yes.

·         Com Breslin: We want to put a medallion in the hands of someone who serves the industry. 

·         Pres Gillespie: With provisions that he complete the driving requirement in the future.

·         Com Heinicke: We need to follow the rules as we have them.  I’m not inclined to grant the request.

·         Com Breslin: Motion to reinstate

·         Com Oka: 2nd Motion

·         Dir Machen: Roll Call on Item G


            AYES:  Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto                                              NOES: Heinicke

            ABSENT: 0                                                                                         RECUSED:  0

·         Dir Machen: Item H1 & H2, Items continued twice at the Commission.  Grasshopper Taxi “To Impeach is Patriotic.” Look into a broader policy as to such paintings. 

·         Pres Gillespie:  Feedback on the this item from Zarefsky

·         Zarefsky: Available if commission has a specific question.

·         Pres Gillespie: How do we treat such alteration? Is this a permanent alteration to the color scheme?

·         Zarefsky: Commission does not have adequate regulations.  The commission will be well served if Director was encouraged to create regulations for this.  This is not a traditional wrap or bumper sticker because it has a message.  There is a history of refusals due to safety issues. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Bumper stickers never came to the Commission for approval. 

·         Dir Machen: Alec Kaplan was told by someone in the cab community that this has to come before the commission.  My staff received monies for a wrap. Kaplan has other cab drivers saying he’s not a real cab due to the message.  I don’t know how the Commission can protect him.

·         Zarefsky: Rule 5C6 states no signs or other devices must be hung outside a taxi vehicle unless required by law or approved by the commission. 

·         Com Paek: I think it’s a great conceptual art piece.  However, we have a responsibility to have a certain rule or non standard.  I cannot say yes to this item.  Can staff look into what images are allowed on the interiors and exteriors of the taxis?

·         Com Oka: Since we do not have a clear definition of what is and is not allowed we should come up with policy guidelines for the future.

·         Com Benjamin:  This was put on the vehicle prior to bringing this forward to the commission, I say get rid of it and apply for what you want it to be. 

·         Com Breslin: This is not a wrap and not a matter of free speech.  I could not vote to approve this tonight.

·         Pres Gillespie: Are we voting on whether this is not a taxi wrap?

·         Dir Machen: Item H1 is to decide whether this is a wrap.  Item H2 is whether to approve as a wrap or as a modification.

·         Com Heinicke: This discussion should be devoid of this message and an added issue is safety.  We need to defer this item and not approve this.

·         Dir Machen: Items H1 & H2 are separate.

·         Com Paek: Motion to deny Item H1

·         Com Oka: 2nd Motion


            AYES:  Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke                             NOES: 0

            ABSENT: 0                                                                                                     RECUSED:  0

·         Dir Machen: Item H2, consideration to alter color scheme or approve as a taxi wrap.

·         Com Paek: Motion to deny Item H2


            AYES:  Breslin, Benjamin, Paek, Oka, Oneto, Heinicke                             NOES: 0

            ABSENT: 0                                                                                                     RECUSED:  0


4.      Goldman School Report and Discussion on Taxi Dispatch [INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION]

Ginny Fang, Grad student of Berkeley Goldman School of Public Policy:  Gave a power point presentation on how to best improve dispatch reliability and response time. 

Public Comment:

·         Com Heinicke: Are you suggesting that surcharges be optional or mandatory?

·         Jenny Fang: Mandatory.

·         Com Heinicke: What was the basis of your findings?

·         Jenny Fang: City analysis of the market done in 2003, 2004.  Unsure of the dates

·         Robert Cesana: Cell phones are a curse to the taxi industry.  Could we have a discussion on service?

·         Mark Gruberg: Surcharges will create an enormous hardship for people that can hardly pay for a cab.

·         Bill Mounsey:  I’ve never used a radio, usually drive around and pick people up.  Central dispatch is the only answer for radio in San Francisco. 

·         Barry Taranto: Thanks to the Goldman School.  GPS is a separate issue.  You have to create incentives. 

·         Charles Rathbone: Thanks to Goldman School. Do not consider centralized dispatch. 

·         Marty Smith: Thanks to Ginny Fang.  Drivers have cells phones that preferred customers can call directly. 

·         Tom Stanghellini: We increased orders with GPS.  I say no to centralized dispatch. 

·         Carl Macmurdo: Thanks Ginny.  I agree with market based incentives.  Hire an outside expert next time.

·         Chuffa: After being hired by Luxor I did not go to the airport or hotels and my income increased by 60%.

·         Tone Lu: The fact is that we need an extra 300 cabs when we are busy and less during off peak. 

·         Dan Hinds: We should consider ourselves as apart of the transportation industry. 

·         Robert Vitka: We need other solutions such as peak time medallions. 

·         Jim Gillespie: Thanks Ginny, report has good information.  I do not promote centralized dispatching. 

·         Ruach Graffis: Separate is never equal.  Most companies aren’t working during peak dispatch. 

·         Thomas George Williams: Called 311 for a cab and they helped, asked me which company I wanted 4 times and after not responding they transferred me to ABC Taxi.

·         Jane Bolig: Goldman school proposed incentives.  What are ways we can reward the drivers?

·         Tariq Mehmood- There are enough cabs in San Francisco. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Thanks the Goldman School. States we need to do something about companies advertising dispatch but not providing the service. 

·         Com Benjamin agrees that dispatch services should be improved. 

·         Com Oka commends the Goldman School.  States he would pay an extra $5.00 for better cab service. 

·         Com Breslin comments one word of caution, to not out price us so we are no longer competitive in the transportation industry. 

·         Com Paek states it’s only the beginning and we have a long way to go, more research and study is needed.

·         Com Heinicke thanks Goldman school for the report. The number one issue is availability and the whole economy will be affected.  There is no question that there aren’t enough cabs during peak time. 

·         Com Oneto thanks for the report.  States that the surcharge will not be that effective, it will take away from the tips. 

·         Pres Gillespie Possible closed session on Item 5, so we will skip to staff report and public comment.


6.   Staff Report and Commissioner Announcements [INFORMATION]

·         Dir Machen: Gave staff report.

·         Com Heinicke: A medallion was out in use for one year while medallion holder was dead? Who was paid?

·         Dir Machen: Correct.  Who was being paid is unknown.

·         Pres Gillespie: Which company?

·         Dir Machen: Yellow Cab.

·         Nate Dwiri: Jeremey Higgins had direct deposit and I don’t know who was receiving the money. 

·         Com Heinicke: It’s not fair that the person on the top of list was waiting while someone collected rent.

·         Com Paek: We need to develop a policy for Items H1 & H2

·         Com Breslin: I would like to ask the status of the working groups. I would like to request a moratorium on revocations.  We need a working group for regulations, how do we go about this?

·         Pres Gillespie: Whether to schedule this sooner as an agenda item (driving your own cab)

·         Com Breslin: Any hearings coming up on not driving your own cabs?

·         Dir Machen: None known

·         Com Breslin: Consider a moratorium.

·         Pres Gillespie: Consider this sooner.

·         Com Breslin: The urgency is to put this working group together.

·         Zarefsky: Caution to the commission discussion on future agenda items.

·         Com Paek: I would like to follow up on the hybrid discussion.

·         Pres Gillespie: NY said that SF is a model for them.  On June 12th we will have a real proposal.

·         Com Oka: Tomorrow is the regular scheduled paratransit meeting from 10:30am-4:30pm at 711 Eddy Street for those who wish to attend.


Public Comment:

·         Nate: After two years we got compressed natural gas.

·         Robert Cesano: What’s with the measure of you trying to control people? I will challenge this at the Human Rights Commission.

·         Carl Macmurdo: Persons have been threatened for not complying with the Taxi Commission.

·         Pres Gillespie: Admonishments are not the first step in a revocation.

·         Com Breslin: I understand the regulation of driving requirement was made separate and apart from this.

·         Pres Gillespie: This is not a discussion of policy.

·         Charles Rathbone: Medallion holders are told to come in and sign admonishments for not driving their own cabs.  I’m asking for you to put the brakes on this until a working group is formed.

·         Com Breslin: To me this is an administrative issue.  This new interpretation is something that we have not discussed at the commission level.

·         Zarefsky: I urge commission not to engage in on extended issues and focus on commission announcements.

·         Com Breslin: I would like this to be agendized.   People are being harmed with this.

·         Pres Gillespie: Com Breslin would you like a memo from the Executive Director about how many cases are out there?

·         Com Breslin: No.

·         Unknown: I have tried continuously to get a hold of David Holvoet to sign his 1095.  He is alive.

·         Barry Taranto: I have a problem with the guy collecting the dead medallion holder’s monies.

·         Unknown: Driving your own medallion rule.  Yellow is moving into a long-term lease.

·         Tariq Mehmood: Driving any cab available can service the public.

·         Mary McGuire: Admonishments go on your record.  An admonishment for driving too many hours is wrong.  The people that actually drive are being punished. 

·         Corey Lam: Taxi Detail should handle the enforcement and TXC should handle the administrative duties.


7.    Public Comment (Please limit public comment to items NOT on the agenda)

·         Tariq Mehmood: On July 1st Yellow cab is converting to a long term lease. 

·         Bill Mounsey: I have been a driver for 16 years and over #500 on the medallion list.  Rules should not be bent for anyone.

·         Tone Lu: Everything revolves around prop-k

·         Robert Cesana: Admonishments and revocations I don’t understand.  Many people got threats of $250 daily fines on a policy that has not been decided on. 

·         Jim Gillespie: I had an experience at the airport with limos.  I flew into the United terminal and had to take a cab back to yellow to pick up my car and a limo solicited to me as a taxi.

·         Pres Gillespie: It’s a disgrace and a lack of enforcement.

·         Carl Macmurdo: Sgt. Simpson stated “ If the taxis not available your shift still counts”

·         Barry Taranto: You hand down rules and regulations and hire staff to enforce them.  Allow the staff to enforce the rules.  I ask that there be not meeting on July 10th so everyone can service the all star game. 

·         Mary McGuire: The settlement of Georgette Welch going to green cab, please review this.  When I voted on the policy for fines and admonishments the intentions were not bad.

·         Adam M.: Should we sell the medallions like a business so they can pay for the centralized dispatch to provide better service.

·         Corey Lam: Sgt Reynolds made it clear that the PUC are over the limos.  We need to start working groups so they can examine all issues that affect the industry.

·         Unknown: We need to freeze the long term lease issues and look into this.  The two largest companies are trying to eliminate gas and gate. 

·         Mark Gruberg: Yellow cab is going into long-term leasing and this will change the face of the industry.

·         Tom Stanghellini: This is America.  Let the market determine the winner and the loser, its capitalism.


5.   Consideration of the Taxi Commission to remove the following applicant name(s) from the Taxicab/Ramp Taxi waiting list in accordance with Municipal Police Code Section 1080(c)(2) for failure to respond and/or submit an application:  Willie M. Johnson, List no. 6-306. 

·         Dir Machen: Presentation of Audit and attachments

·         Pres Gillespie: The question is whether we go into closed session?

·         Dir Machen: If you look under the agenda line item 5 line item a, it would depend whether the commission had specific questions regarding Mr. Johnson’s medical condition. 

·         PresGillespie: There are questions that I have on this permit of a medical nature, that would be appropriate for a closed session. 

·         Dir Machen: Again, you can ask Mr. Johnson if he wishes to waive his rights.

·         Pres Gillespie: Mr. Johnson will you please come up.  Is it your desire to have us discuss medical conditions in a closed session?

·         Willie M Johnson: I have nothing to hide and I will waive my rights.

·         Pres Gillespie: You have nothing to hide so you are willing to discuss this in public?

·         Com Heinicke: You understand that there will be no adverse affect

·         Pres Gillespie: Do you have a summary of the case Director Machen?

·         Dir Machen:  Gave summary of item 5

·         Pres Gillespie: Mr. Johnson do you have anything to say about this audit?

·         Willie M Johnson: Yes, I don’t understand that I haven’t applied or put in an application.

·         Zarefsky: If during the public hearing there is discussion of medical issues and Mr. Johnson should change his mind and want to go into close session, say that.

·         Pres Gillespie: Our staff has conducted an audit that shows you have not driven for six years.

·         Dir Machen: Going on seven years.

·         Willie M Johnson: I believe they are correct about 6, I did drive a little in 05, and I did drive in 2002 and 2003. Commissioners these records are wrong, I have always filed ADA, the last gentleman I talked to in the commissioner’s office was a Mr. Bettencourt he told me he had all my records.

·         Pres Gillespie: According to the info that I’ve been given you have been given a third and final accommodation applied retroactively to the year 2006. According to our commission policies you have exhausted the maximum ADA accommodation allowed under our rules.

·         Willie M Johnson: I never got a letter about that.

·         PresGillespie: Director Machen for those commissioners that weren’t on the commission in Feb. 2006 you’ve attached a copy of the resolution clarifying the limitations to variations from the 1978 prop k driving requirements.  Can you just review for us how Mr. Johnson’s case refers to that resolution?

·         DirMachen: Reads March 8,2006 Resolution.

·         Pres Gillespie:  So from our point of view he has received and reached the limit for the amount of accommodations he can receive?

·         Dir Machen:  That is correct.

·         Com Breslin: To me the three year cap would apply on a forward going basis from 2006, 2007 and 2008.

·         Pres Gillespie: Mr. Mays are you in a recoverable situation with intention to go back to driving the taxi when you’re physically able to?

·         Willie M Johnson: Yes sir.

·         Com Oka: Is there anybody at Luxor Cab that can verify you have driven more than our records show?

·         Willie M Johnson: I guess dispatchers at the window? I’m trying to think.

·         Pres Gillespie: Commissioner Oka, he has stipulated that he has not driven full time in recent years.

·         Com Paek: Director Machen, is this information we got before the meeting something that Mr. Johnson submitted to us or is this something according to our own audit.

·         Dir Machen: We went to Luxor and requested the waybills from Tom Stanghelli who provided Deputy Director Jordanna Thigpen with the documents you see me holding in my hands.  These represent all the way bills available from 2000-2007.

·         Com Paek: If you all recall, Mr. Johnson, I specifically asked you to bring in any way bills. 

·         Willie M Johnson: I just need two weeks now that I clearly know that I need to bring this in.

·         Com Oneto: You said you didn’t work 2006, 2005 or 2004.  Now my question to you is, we have records that state that you asked for an ADA accommodation for the years 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 why would you need that accommodation if you were working full time in 2000, 2002 and 2003?

·         Willie M Johnson: In the early years 2002-2003 if I recall I wasn’t putting in enough hours of work. 

·         Com Oneto: Do you understand that you are required to work 800 hours in a year to be covered?

·         Willie M Johnson: Yes. 

·         Pres Gillespie: To my understanding we have copies of everything you have done. 

·         Tom Stanghellini:   We have files missing from when they were picked up by the detail from 2005.

·         Pres Gillespie: You are not claiming that you met the fulltime requirement for the last 3 years are you?

·         Willie M Johnson: No I’m not.

·         Pres Gillespie: TXC has ADA accommodations and the laws of the city.  Do we remove you from the waiting list and preclude any possibility of you getting a regular medallion in the future because you haven’t filled out your application properly and you have fulfilled driving requirement the last few years?  Or do we adopt some kind of policy that we will visit this issue in a year and reconsider it then based on your medical condition at that time? 

·         Com Oka: Strictly based on what we have there’s not enough there to keep you on the waiting list. 

·         Pres Gillespie: You’re not going to miraculously come up with some missing waybills; you stipulated that you not have driven the last 3 years full time to meet the driving requirements.

·         Willie M Johnson: No I haven’t, I’ve been ill sir.

·         Com Heinicke: The simple fact is you haven’t been driving for several years.  With that fact under our rules the staff is saying you should be removed from the list. 

·         Com Oka: Do we have that latitude?

·         Pres Gillespie: What we passed last March in was for persons that would never be able to drive again. 

·         Zarefsky: Commission has some leeway on how to interpret this.  This was adopted March 8, 2006 so I would caution against an interpretation that would be inconsistent with the way you've interpreted before. You may run into problems with those who have been processed under this resolution. 

·         Pres Gillespie: Reconsider in terms of reversing prior decisions or simply putting it on hold for a period of time and reconsidering it in a year.

·         Zarefsky: No, reconsider the resolution which is currently your governing law for these sorts of situations.

·         Pres Gillespie: Suppose that was our choice to amend the resolution what would be the status in this case?

·         Zarefsky: If you are inclined to do that what would make sense logically to me if you have a policy on the books and you have a case that suggests the policy is not right, you can continue the case and reconsider the policy and go from there.  I’m not advocating that.

·         Com Heinicke: I agree, I think we have a policy that’s rather clear.  If what you’re suggesting is this case prompts us to re-look at the policy we can continue this case to look at the policy.

·         Com Oka: I hope that we don’t keep making exceptions to the policies we make.

·         Pres Gillespie: So sorting through all this we can vote tonight to remove him from the waiting list or vote tonight pending a review of the existing resolution and how it will apply to people in his situation. 

·         Com Breslin: The reason I voted no originally on this resolution was because I felt that it didn’t give enough latitude if someone is ill for a prolonged period of time.  With that said, I would agree to rework this. How will the decision we make tonight affect his current ramp permit?

·         Dir Machen: There isn’t anything tonight that would effect him from continuing to hold his ramp medallion

·         Com Breslin: Will our decision have some repercussion in the decision making in his current ramp permit.

Public Comment

·         Unknown: He’s being put through this bureaucratic hassle at one of the most difficult times in his life. 

·         Robert Cesana: You have no qualifications to make a medical judgment. 

·         Bill Mounsey: You have to abide by these rules.

·         Carl Macmurdo: I think you need to revisit this; it’s not a policy that’s in accordance to the law.

·         Corey Lamb: Medically you should have another conversation.  I don’t think he understood what was being said to him. 

·         David Pillpel: Based on the public interest given the policy the commission gave I don’t think you have any option but to remove him from the regular waiting list.

·         Mary McGuire:  Agrees with Commissioner Breslin.  I really urge you to revisit this issue because you’re going to have more of these cases.

·         Tariq Mehmood: Somebody that didn’t drive this many years should be removed from the list.

·         Zarefsky: Public comment obviously belongs to the speaker’s who makes them.

·         Com Benjamin: Commissioner Breslin brought up that this resolution was passed in March 2006 are we to look at this as a time period situation from that moment on as to what his records reflect?

·         Zarefsky: It would seem to me if you were riding on clean slate it’s up to you to interpret whether it’s prospective or whether it includes years prior to March 2006.

·         Dir Machen: In terms of removing people’s names from the list you have never faced an ADA removal. 

·         Pres Gillespie: If we were to remove this person from the list we would be saying it was retroactive. 

·         Com Benjamin: What is the chance’s of him being able to get a medallion if we keep him on the list?

·         Pres Gillespie: He couldn’t be given credit for prior years that he didn’t drive.

·         Com Breslin: If we feel that this is a prospective resolution here and its going forward you never know what the working groups may develop in the next couple of years.

·         ComOneto: I think the real date we are dealing with is in November 2003. So that one year applied to those 3 years does not qualify.

·         Com Heinicke: I think we are back to the question of do we want to continue this or do we want to take him off the list or not?

·         Pres Gillespie:  My personal is to continue this pending further policy discussion.  

·         Com Heinicke: Can we have that as a motion?

·         Pres Gillespie: I’ll make that as a motion.

·         Com Oka: I’ll move it.

·         Com Breslin: 2nd motion.


AYES:  Oneto, Oka, Benjamin, Breslin, Gillespie                            NOES: Paek, Heinicke

            ABSENT: 0                                                                                         RECUSED:  0


8.  Adjournment

Respectfully Submitted,

Danelle Carey

Senior Assistant



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